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	<title>Comments on: Speak[er Setup] Now, or Forever hold your Peace.</title>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

Yeah the problem you are encountering is Ubuntu being dumb. They have patched their libcanberra package in such a way that it breaks the Sound Theme Specification. I have mentioned this to them several times and even publicly in the libcanberra development mailing list.http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.libcanberra.general/199

It actually took me a good couple hours of debugging with an Ubuntu user to work this out. It&#039;s very annoying when downstream distros break things so recklessly and cause us upstream people problems like this.

Anyway, make sure you have both the Ubuntu and FreeDesktop sound themes installed and things *might* work. Otherwise file a bug report in Ubuntu (high priority please) and complain about their reckless, patch-happy approach that breaks things and ask them to issue an update ASAP :)

If you can&#039;t get it working, come find me on IRC and we can work out what is needed (I know the other user I spoke with got it working, but I forget the exact steps).

All the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>Yeah the problem you are encountering is Ubuntu being dumb. They have patched their libcanberra package in such a way that it breaks the Sound Theme Specification. I have mentioned this to them several times and even publicly in the libcanberra development mailing list.<a href="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.libcanberra.general/199" rel="nofollow">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.libcanberra.general/199</a></p>
<p>It actually took me a good couple hours of debugging with an Ubuntu user to work this out. It&#8217;s very annoying when downstream distros break things so recklessly and cause us upstream people problems like this.</p>
<p>Anyway, make sure you have both the Ubuntu and FreeDesktop sound themes installed and things *might* work. Otherwise file a bug report in Ubuntu (high priority please) and complain about their reckless, patch-happy approach that breaks things and ask them to issue an update ASAP <img src='http://colin.guthr.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get it working, come find me on IRC and we can work out what is needed (I know the other user I spoke with got it working, but I forget the exact steps).</p>
<p>All the best!</p>
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		<title>By: frapell</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>frapell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colin. First of all, HUGE thanks for your work :D

i wanted to ask, i&#039;m trying to get this working, i&#039;m using kde 4.6.2 under Ubuntu 10.10 and there&#039;s no way i can click on the &quot;Front left&quot;, &quot;Front right&quot;, etc buttons, and have the system play *any* sound... the sound works well though, i can play music with Amarok, etc.

I installed all the libcanberra packages i could find, but it won&#039;t work. Can you give me some pointers on what to do ?

dunno if it helps, but i&#039;m using the Gstreamer phonon backend, and i have all gstreamer-plugin-* packages installed.

thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colin. First of all, HUGE thanks for your work <img src='http://colin.guthr.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>i wanted to ask, i&#8217;m trying to get this working, i&#8217;m using kde 4.6.2 under Ubuntu 10.10 and there&#8217;s no way i can click on the &#8220;Front left&#8221;, &#8220;Front right&#8221;, etc buttons, and have the system play *any* sound&#8230; the sound works well though, i can play music with Amarok, etc.</p>
<p>I installed all the libcanberra packages i could find, but it won&#8217;t work. Can you give me some pointers on what to do ?</p>
<p>dunno if it helps, but i&#8217;m using the Gstreamer phonon backend, and i have all gstreamer-plugin-* packages installed.</p>
<p>thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was kinda half intending to eventually add a VU Meter  to kmix for output and inputs, so this would probably be sufficient for testing levels which is probably enough to confirm it &quot;works&quot;. Maybe a little dedicated GUI for recording and playback for testing purposes would be quite nice too tho&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kinda half intending to eventually add a VU Meter  to kmix for output and inputs, so this would probably be sufficient for testing levels which is probably enough to confirm it &#8220;works&#8221;. Maybe a little dedicated GUI for recording and playback for testing purposes would be quite nice too tho&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Quintesse</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>Quintesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colin, nice work on the GUI!

One thing that always seems missing in these dialogs is the input side. Wouldn&#039;t it be great to have a tab for microphone setup as well? Lot&#039;s of times I wonder if my input is working and need to fall back to trying to record samples with audio recording apps, some of which are so comlpex that I don&#039;t know if the fault is with the hardware or with me just not understanding the options :)

A dialog like the one you made would be perfect. As an example would server the typical sound setup dialogs with programs like Skype where you can see a meter showing if anything is being recorded and the ability to listen back to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colin, nice work on the GUI!</p>
<p>One thing that always seems missing in these dialogs is the input side. Wouldn&#8217;t it be great to have a tab for microphone setup as well? Lot&#8217;s of times I wonder if my input is working and need to fall back to trying to record samples with audio recording apps, some of which are so comlpex that I don&#8217;t know if the fault is with the hardware or with me just not understanding the options <img src='http://colin.guthr.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A dialog like the one you made would be perfect. As an example would server the typical sound setup dialogs with programs like Skype where you can see a meter showing if anything is being recorded and the ability to listen back to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would I go through all that trouble when simply disabling and using pure Alsa fixes the countless PA problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I go through all that trouble when simply disabling and using pure Alsa fixes the countless PA problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as people don&#039;t report and try and debug such issues, they wont get fixed.... living in a bubble FTW :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as people don&#8217;t report and try and debug such issues, they wont get fixed&#8230;. living in a bubble FTW :p</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longer term I&#039;d certainly like such a GUI to exist, but I think it will all depend on one of my other modules in PA that I&#039;ve not given much love to of late: module-loader. This is ultimately going to replace module-gconf and should basically be a glorified module loader. This could then automatically load the appropriate module-remap-sink modules that would allow for your kind of setup.

I&#039;ve not really got a schedule for this, but if no-one else does it first, I&#039;ll get round to it eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longer term I&#8217;d certainly like such a GUI to exist, but I think it will all depend on one of my other modules in PA that I&#8217;ve not given much love to of late: module-loader. This is ultimately going to replace module-gconf and should basically be a glorified module loader. This could then automatically load the appropriate module-remap-sink modules that would allow for your kind of setup.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not really got a schedule for this, but if no-one else does it first, I&#8217;ll get round to it eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great!  Glad to see better 5.1 control.

Will there be any support for rewiring different channels?  That is one thing there is still no GUI for of any sort that I have seen.  

So for instance I have 2 2.1 speakers and 2 1.0 speakers.  I use it as a 5.1 speaker setup, but this requires re-routing the various channels on my sound card as so:
Left-front and LFE -&gt; Left Front
Right-front and LFE -&gt; Right-front
Left-rear -&gt; Left-rear
Right-rear -&gt; Right-rear
Center and LFE -&gt; Center
Center and LFE -&gt; LFE


There is no GUI for this that I know of.  It should be possible to do, you would need a list of output channels, and then have a drop-down list where you could select the input channel and the volume of that channel, and probably a +/- button for adding input channels to each output channel.  It might also be needed to set it individually for 2 channel, 4 channel, 6 channel, and 8 channel inputs.

This would also be really useful for people with surround sound systems running stereo inputs who want to, for instance, route Left to Left-front and left-rear, right to right-front and right-rear, and both to center/LFE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great!  Glad to see better 5.1 control.</p>
<p>Will there be any support for rewiring different channels?  That is one thing there is still no GUI for of any sort that I have seen.  </p>
<p>So for instance I have 2 2.1 speakers and 2 1.0 speakers.  I use it as a 5.1 speaker setup, but this requires re-routing the various channels on my sound card as so:<br />
Left-front and LFE -&gt; Left Front<br />
Right-front and LFE -&gt; Right-front<br />
Left-rear -&gt; Left-rear<br />
Right-rear -&gt; Right-rear<br />
Center and LFE -&gt; Center<br />
Center and LFE -&gt; LFE</p>
<p>There is no GUI for this that I know of.  It should be possible to do, you would need a list of output channels, and then have a drop-down list where you could select the input channel and the volume of that channel, and probably a +/- button for adding input channels to each output channel.  It might also be needed to set it individually for 2 channel, 4 channel, 6 channel, and 8 channel inputs.</p>
<p>This would also be really useful for people with surround sound systems running stereo inputs who want to, for instance, route Left to Left-front and left-rear, right to right-front and right-rear, and both to center/LFE.</p>
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		<title>By: Volker</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Volker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, very nice! A bit offtopic: did you read my message on IRC regarding this problem?

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245741</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, very nice! A bit offtopic: did you read my message on IRC regarding this problem?</p>
<p><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245741" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245741</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as PulseAudio keeps randomly muting my speakers by itself, I keep that crap disabled.
Pure Alsa FTW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as PulseAudio keeps randomly muting my speakers by itself, I keep that crap disabled.<br />
Pure Alsa FTW!</p>
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