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		<title>By: kmix have pulseaudio support? - openSUSE Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmix have pulseaudio support? - openSUSE Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 12:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and one other thing, I presume the kmix you are using is the modified version with PA support? I did speak to the Fedora guys in charge of it so know they were looking to include support for it, but just wanted to double check. The PA version of kmix ensures that kmix does not save/restore volumes (it does with plain alsa) as this functionality should (and does!) live inside PA, not an external mixer. If you are using an older kmix, please ensure you configure it to not restore device volumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and one other thing, I presume the kmix you are using is the modified version with PA support? I did speak to the Fedora guys in charge of it so know they were looking to include support for it, but just wanted to double check. The PA version of kmix ensures that kmix does not save/restore volumes (it does with plain alsa) as this functionality should (and does!) live inside PA, not an external mixer. If you are using an older kmix, please ensure you configure it to not restore device volumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting one.What login manager are you using? If it&#039;s GDM then I&#039;m more confused, if it&#039;s KDM then it&#039;s possible. Also (just to confuse things further), the Mandriva GDM is older than the Fedora one and could also cause the issue in some capacity.

I appreciate the above sentence may not make much sense :) Allow me to explain. There are generally three levels of volume restoration. One is at the alsa level. When the machine is shut down or booted, the system-wide sound volumes are saved or restored respectively. These days (i.e. with newer GDM) this will only matter once - i.e. the very first boot of a fresh install. As GDM starts up it also starts a pulseaudio daemon for the pseudo session started for the GDM login prompt. This will internally save and restore device volumes, so it has inherited the system-wide volumes on the very first use, but thereafter it will have it&#039;s own copy. The third level of restoration is when a real user logs in. This user will get their own PA daemon and will again inherit the value currently set on very first login by that user, but thereafter remember the values set.

So it seems that in your case something somewhere is setting the volume very high. The confusing part is that because PA will save and restore the volumes itself, it shouldn&#039;t really matter if the initial (i.e. at boot) volume is totally insane as once the user logs in their save settings from PA should override it. To be honest it sounds like module-stream-restore is simply not loaded into your PA setup, but I presume that is not the case.

Regardless, I recommend you open a Fedora or Mdv bug report about this. Turn on all logging in daemon.conf and post the relevant sections of your syslog to the bug report. Make sure you demonstrate the problem and if possible annotate your log with a few &quot;I logged in here&quot;, &quot;I logged out here&quot; style comments.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting one.What login manager are you using? If it&#8217;s GDM then I&#8217;m more confused, if it&#8217;s KDM then it&#8217;s possible. Also (just to confuse things further), the Mandriva GDM is older than the Fedora one and could also cause the issue in some capacity.</p>
<p>I appreciate the above sentence may not make much sense <img src='http://colin.guthr.ie/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Allow me to explain. There are generally three levels of volume restoration. One is at the alsa level. When the machine is shut down or booted, the system-wide sound volumes are saved or restored respectively. These days (i.e. with newer GDM) this will only matter once &#8211; i.e. the very first boot of a fresh install. As GDM starts up it also starts a pulseaudio daemon for the pseudo session started for the GDM login prompt. This will internally save and restore device volumes, so it has inherited the system-wide volumes on the very first use, but thereafter it will have it&#8217;s own copy. The third level of restoration is when a real user logs in. This user will get their own PA daemon and will again inherit the value currently set on very first login by that user, but thereafter remember the values set.</p>
<p>So it seems that in your case something somewhere is setting the volume very high. The confusing part is that because PA will save and restore the volumes itself, it shouldn&#8217;t really matter if the initial (i.e. at boot) volume is totally insane as once the user logs in their save settings from PA should override it. To be honest it sounds like module-stream-restore is simply not loaded into your PA setup, but I presume that is not the case.</p>
<p>Regardless, I recommend you open a Fedora or Mdv bug report about this. Turn on all logging in daemon.conf and post the relevant sections of your syslog to the bug report. Make sure you demonstrate the problem and if possible annotate your log with a few &#8220;I logged in here&#8221;, &#8220;I logged out here&#8221; style comments.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Paige</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, in Fedora 12 x86_64 KDE 4.4.1 I have a problem with volume jumping to 100% on most kmix channels and pavucontrol output channel when booting. I don&#039;t know the equivalent db level but the dog and the wife don&#039;t like it... This happens when booting into F12 NOT with logout/login. [When I logout/login volume settings remain the same.] Any way to control this??? I&#039;d be happy to provide info or steps I&#039;ve tried or whatever it takes to resolve this. Been chasing this for months with no success other than removing pulseaudio [or in Mandriva disabling it]. But is removing/disabling pulseaudio really a good fix for someone who uses many multimedia apps? This topic does not generate many helpful or positive posts on forums so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, in Fedora 12 x86_64 KDE 4.4.1 I have a problem with volume jumping to 100% on most kmix channels and pavucontrol output channel when booting. I don&#8217;t know the equivalent db level but the dog and the wife don&#8217;t like it&#8230; This happens when booting into F12 NOT with logout/login. [When I logout/login volume settings remain the same.] Any way to control this??? I&#8217;d be happy to provide info or steps I&#8217;ve tried or whatever it takes to resolve this. Been chasing this for months with no success other than removing pulseaudio [or in Mandriva disabling it]. But is removing/disabling pulseaudio really a good fix for someone who uses many multimedia apps? This topic does not generate many helpful or positive posts on forums so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really enjoyed your interview with David Abbott of LinuxCrazy.com.  Really good discussion of Pulse Audio.  Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Frederik&#39;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Noteworthy changes 1 January &#8211; 17 January 2010 - Random thoughts of a Linux sysadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederik&#39;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Noteworthy changes 1 January &#8211; 17 January 2010 - Random thoughts of a Linux sysadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4.4 RC 1 is now available in Cooker. Mandriva has patched the kmix volume mixer to support Pulseaudio. Amarok [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mix it some more &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator>Mix it some more &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OK, so this is really just an update on my earlier post about KMix PulseAudio integration. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links 7/1/2010: GNU/Linux Gains Among Key OEMs &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 7/1/2010: GNU/Linux Gains Among Key OEMs &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mix it up Hot on the heels of my Phonon PulseAudio integration, here is another set of patches for kdemultimedia that adds PulseAudio support to KMix o/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links 7/1/2010: GNU/Linux Gains Among Key OEMs &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 7/1/2010: GNU/Linux Gains Among Key OEMs &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mix it up Hot on the heels of my Phonon PulseAudio integration, here is another set of patches for kdemultimedia that adds PulseAudio support to KMix o/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social comments and analytics for this post...&lt;/strong&gt;

This post was mentioned on Twitter by pulseaudio: KDE PulseAudio mixer integration http://tr.im/JzZQ \o/ (by Colin)...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by pulseaudio: KDE PulseAudio mixer integration <a href="http://tr.im/JzZQ" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/JzZQ</a> \o/ (by Colin)&#8230;</p>
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