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	<title>Comments on: KDE + PulseAudio != Sucks</title>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean by the &quot;interface&quot;? Do you mean GUI? If so, then I&#039;ve integrated PA into KDE using the existing GUI in KDE. It in no way relates to PA itself, so to use this as an argument against PA is invalid.

If by &quot;interface&quot; you are referring to pavucontrol, then it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to make this suggestion but then we do not &quot;market&quot; pavucontrol as anything other than a relatively low level app to expose the functionality of PA to users. We don&#039;t really care about it from a UI design point of view as we expect the Desktop Environment used to provide their own interfaces, integrated tightly into the Desktop Experience itself.

If you meant something else by &quot;interface&quot; then please elaborate so we can discuss properly. But without more details, I cannot really comment.

Just for complete reference and to make sure you&#039;re not being short changed by your distro&#039;s support for KDE+PA, this is what it should look like: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by the &#8220;interface&#8221;? Do you mean GUI? If so, then I&#8217;ve integrated PA into KDE using the existing GUI in KDE. It in no way relates to PA itself, so to use this as an argument against PA is invalid.</p>
<p>If by &#8220;interface&#8221; you are referring to pavucontrol, then it&#8217;s perfectly reasonable to make this suggestion but then we do not &#8220;market&#8221; pavucontrol as anything other than a relatively low level app to expose the functionality of PA to users. We don&#8217;t really care about it from a UI design point of view as we expect the Desktop Environment used to provide their own interfaces, integrated tightly into the Desktop Experience itself.</p>
<p>If you meant something else by &#8220;interface&#8221; then please elaborate so we can discuss properly. But without more details, I cannot really comment.</p>
<p>Just for complete reference and to make sure you&#8217;re not being short changed by your distro&#8217;s support for KDE+PA, this is what it should look like: <a href="http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE" rel="nofollow">http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Berry van der Linden</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>Berry van der Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think pulseaudio is just to much of a mess.  The interface is messy the way it handles audio can become really messy if you have a system with multiple sound cards.

I believe the interface needs a ground up redesign to make it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think pulseaudio is just to much of a mess.  The interface is messy the way it handles audio can become really messy if you have a system with multiple sound cards.</p>
<p>I believe the interface needs a ground up redesign to make it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the only enhancement that didn&#039;t make it was the &quot;Speaker Setup&quot; GUI. I believe all other work is in there (with the possible exception of a couple of patches I kinda &quot;lost&quot; not that long ago :s)

We&#039;ve discussed this now in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/863&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;upstream bug report&lt;/a&gt; but I think this results from a bug in the way PA detects Internal Audio. IMO this could be handled more gracefully, but not sure how best to do it (I&#039;m not really an expert in that bit of the code). The &quot;deciding to mute&quot; scenario is interesting tho&#039;. Not quite sure what the reason for that would be but I suspect it&#039;s something non-obivous. I&#039;d be very interested to get the &quot;pacmd list&quot; output for this muted device - and a screenshot from kmix at the same time.

What did you put in default.pa to make things work? I wouldn&#039;t have thought that any solution to this problem needed a change to default.pa (tho&#039; admittedly the GUIs to e.g. change the name are not easily found. which I need to address in some capacity)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the only enhancement that didn&#8217;t make it was the &#8220;Speaker Setup&#8221; GUI. I believe all other work is in there (with the possible exception of a couple of patches I kinda &#8220;lost&#8221; not that long ago :s)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve discussed this now in an <a href="http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/863" rel="nofollow">upstream bug report</a> but I think this results from a bug in the way PA detects Internal Audio. IMO this could be handled more gracefully, but not sure how best to do it (I&#8217;m not really an expert in that bit of the code). The &#8220;deciding to mute&#8221; scenario is interesting tho&#8217;. Not quite sure what the reason for that would be but I suspect it&#8217;s something non-obivous. I&#8217;d be very interested to get the &#8220;pacmd list&#8221; output for this muted device &#8211; and a screenshot from kmix at the same time.</p>
<p>What did you put in default.pa to make things work? I wouldn&#8217;t have thought that any solution to this problem needed a change to default.pa (tho&#8217; admittedly the GUIs to e.g. change the name are not easily found. which I need to address in some capacity)</p>
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		<title>By: skierpage</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>skierpage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems your fine enhancements did not make it into Kubuntu 10.10 which defaults to Phonon &gt; Xine &gt; PulseAudio. My two audio devices show up as  identically named &quot;Internal Analog Audio Stereo&quot; in System Settings &gt; Multimedia &gt; Phonon ; PA decided to mute one yet KMix shows it unmuted; if I change the device.descriptions in pacmd, System Settings and KMix don&#039;t update, etc.  It&#039;s taken me three hours to figure out what to put in default.pa that should make audio work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems your fine enhancements did not make it into Kubuntu 10.10 which defaults to Phonon &gt; Xine &gt; PulseAudio. My two audio devices show up as  identically named &#8220;Internal Analog Audio Stereo&#8221; in System Settings &gt; Multimedia &gt; Phonon ; PA decided to mute one yet KMix shows it unmuted; if I change the device.descriptions in pacmd, System Settings and KMix don&#8217;t update, etc.  It&#8217;s taken me three hours to figure out what to put in default.pa that should make audio work.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not aware of any &lt;a href=&quot;http://pulseaudio.org/search?q=openarena&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;specific issues&lt;/a&gt;, but in order to address any incompatibilities we need good bug reports, with solid information and backtraces of crashes (with full debug symbols) where appropriate. Open Source projects need feedback to thrive. If people don&#039;t tell us something is wrong, then as far as we&#039;re concerned nothing is broken and obviously nothing is going to be done about something that isn&#039;t broken!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any <a href="http://pulseaudio.org/search?q=openarena" rel="nofollow">specific issues</a>, but in order to address any incompatibilities we need good bug reports, with solid information and backtraces of crashes (with full debug symbols) where appropriate. Open Source projects need feedback to thrive. If people don&#8217;t tell us something is wrong, then as far as we&#8217;re concerned nothing is broken and obviously nothing is going to be done about something that isn&#8217;t broken!</p>
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		<title>By: Pazuzu</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Pazuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about how does PulseAudio support games? Have you tried it? I suggest OpenArena, which crashed on every distro using PA I have tried</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about how does PulseAudio support games? Have you tried it? I suggest OpenArena, which crashed on every distro using PA I have tried</p>
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		<title>By: Mix it up &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Mix it up &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the heels of my Phonon PulseAudio integration, here is another set of patches for kdemultimedia that adds PulseAudio support to KMix [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the heels of my Phonon PulseAudio integration, here is another set of patches for kdemultimedia that adds PulseAudio support to KMix [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MandrivaUser.de NEWS &#187; KMix PulseAudio Integration</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>MandrivaUser.de NEWS &#187; KMix PulseAudio Integration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] einiger Zeit beschäftigt er sich dabei sehr erfolgreich mit der Integration von PulseAudio in KDE. Ein weiteren wichtigen Schritt hat er nun im Cooker zum Testen freigegeben. Der Lautstärke-Mixer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] einiger Zeit beschäftigt er sich dabei sehr erfolgreich mit der Integration von PulseAudio in KDE. Ein weiteren wichtigen Schritt hat er nun im Cooker zum Testen freigegeben. Der Lautstärke-Mixer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: So how does the KDE PulseAudio support work anyway? &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>So how does the KDE PulseAudio support work anyway? &#171; Colin.Guthr.ie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] follows on from my previous articles here and here. If you&#8217;ve not read them, then it would make sense to give them a quick [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] follows on from my previous articles here and here. If you&#8217;ve not read them, then it would make sense to give them a quick [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ano</title>
		<link>http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>ano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your work! PulseAudio is a real improvement for Linux audio. I use Mandriva cooker with KDE4 and VirtualBox3. I&#039;m glad that VirtualBox can use PulseAudio. But there is a problem when I star Windows through VirtualBox and I&#039;ve sound through Windows, then the sound in Amarok doesn&#039;t work (when I start amarok after the virtualbox session), sound in flash on firefox still works, I think this is strange and annoying. Maybe you can look into this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your work! PulseAudio is a real improvement for Linux audio. I use Mandriva cooker with KDE4 and VirtualBox3. I&#8217;m glad that VirtualBox can use PulseAudio. But there is a problem when I star Windows through VirtualBox and I&#8217;ve sound through Windows, then the sound in Amarok doesn&#8217;t work (when I start amarok after the virtualbox session), sound in flash on firefox still works, I think this is strange and annoying. Maybe you can look into this?</p>
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